It's not a great movie by any stretch, but Boseman has a nice featured role in Draft Day as well as one of the potential draft picks. Interestingly, Black Panther is apparently going to make his first major appearance in Cap 3 (I presume there'll be a cameo of some sort in Avengers 2).
I may be the only one who watches Agents of Shield, but they've been working towards the Inhumans as a workaround for not being allowed to have mutants. So that is, at best, the third most exciting thing they just announced.
Sure, that makes a lot of sense, and is probably true, but I'm betting on Lockjaw. Marvel Phase 4: The Pet Avengers. All played by Serkis. Assuming they've got the rights on that dragony thing that hangs out with Shadowcat for some reason I don't remember. They've definitely got the rights on Frog Thor, though.
I only started reading superhero comics fairly recently, and the 2012 Captain Marvel was one of the first series I picked up. It attracted my attention by the cover and title alone, before I'd heard anything else about it. As both a publishing person and a pop culture nerd, I am nerding the nerd out that just a year and a half later they are announcing a movie and people are this excited about it. I know it sounds dorky but it really bolsters my hope/enthusiasm about the kinds of stuff I'll be able to work on and consume in the coming years.
I think it was in a Hawkeye that I first saw the Captain Marvel ad! I had no idea the wealth of good comics that would come from following my gut reaction to that ad. Fraction's Sex Criminals, at least the first arc, is also a fave. Not superheroes, though...at least not of the caped variety.
It's important that the movies carry over the iconic lines from the comics. Think Spiderman's "with great power there must also come great responsibility" or Batman's "I'm Batman." I just hope they find an actor who can land Black Bolt's "
I'm very interested in the legalities of the Inhumans as a property: I'm sure they had a title of their own at some point, but I've always thought of them as an intrinsic and integral part of the Fantastic Four mythology. Wouldn't they be bundled in that deal, along with Doctor Doom, the Puppet Master, etc.?
Well, I'm sure that you're not, or the ticket sales for these movies would dwarf what they actually are. But I'll admit that I'm pretty excited. I like that they have a plan, and, although I am not the most versed in the comic book world, I like what I've heard about the new characters/plotlines.
Also, even if you're not excited about the actual news, reading what the true comic fans are saying is pretty entertaining. The comments on the article that Adam linked were well worth clicking on the link, in my opinion.
Apparently not. I've seen numerous articles for months expecting Marvel to develop the Inhumans, to get around the fact that they can't use any X-Men or the term "mutants."
Yeah, the "families" are very weirdly drawn. For instance, Kingpin is part of the Daredevil IP, even though he's appeared pretty regularly with Spider-Man, and certain characters are "shared" subject to restrictions (e.g., Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch). It gets even messier on theme park rights--Universal has exclusive rights, but only to certain folks, and only East of the Mississippi River. So Disneyland can do Thor/Cap meet and greets, but Disney World can't, but Disney parks worldwide could do a Guardians of the Galaxy ride or meet and greet (and who wouldn't want a picture of their child embracing Groot?).
This is a complete gap in my pop culture consumption - I haven't read a comic book since I read Archie in early childhood. Never consumed any super hero anything beyond the first Superman movies and Batman movies. I watched the Avengers and was pretty much lost - there's so much world-building and back story that I know nothing about. This just isn't my thing. And it seems to have taken over everything, which just baffles me. It's not just a question of excitement, but pure comprehension. I have no idea what any of this is all about, and am finding myself in an increasing minority in not caring at all. Just not my genre.
I've never gotten into comic books, but I love the movie universes.... But it looks like Captain Marvel might be a good place to start? My question is... *how* do I start? Should I start at the beginning, or can I start with this one, for instance? http://www.amazon.com/Captain-Marvel-Higher-Further-Faster/dp/0785190139/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414605383&sr=1-1
Remember the Kree from Guardians of the Galaxy? They visited Earth a long time ago, experimented on early humans and created a sort of giant master race and then abandoned them because of a prophecy. The whole bit with the substance that Garrett, Coulson and Skye have been injected with that appears to have come from a Kree corpse and is not affecting Skye adversely makes more sense if she's at least partially Inhuman, from their Kree side.
Everything that Joseph said, with the addition that (as Jenn. alludes to below) Marvel Studios is in a bind, since they legally cannot use mutants but mutants are kinda their jam, they've got a workaround in the Inhumans, if--like we're assuming with Skye--they develop powers by inheriting DNA that was at one point [synonym for mutated] by ancient Kree experiments. These people will start popping up, possibly triggered by some Asgardian nonsense and the government will want to keep track of them, register them, if you will, something something Captain America: Civil War.
OK, that's startingly plausible. And now I'm wondering..
SPOILERS
Who's the Peter Parker surrogate in the movie version of Civil War? Assuming they keep the Tony & Steve dynamic, someone has to be the fulcrum between them and if not Peter, who?
Despite the mess that was Green Lantern (for which he was credited as a writer), I'd be far more interested in a Berlanti-led DC-verse than a Zach Snyder one.
Okay, let's work this out. Assuming the stuff I'm pretty much making up holds true, it's going to be someone from the first Avengers movie, or at least someone we already know in order to have some weight. Black Widow doxxed herself and most likely Hawkeye in Winter Soldier. Thor isn't human. So that leaves in order of likelihood: Hulk (secret identity, mutated DNA, close to Stark, kinda moody), Bucky Barnes (would need to have pulled the reverse of a heel turn), Falcon (I guess), Henry Pym (we'll see how Ant Man goes), Black Panther (doubtful before his first solo film, but I think he's appearing), one of the Wonder Twins (they were in a teaser), Captain Marvel (won't be around yet), Vision (not a person).
Of that list....Bucky is the one that jumps out at me as being able to be the fulcrum. Secret identity, close ties to Cap but could be swayed by the technocrat Tony looking to impose order; I think it might work.
I'm not particularly a comic books guy -- and have only seen about half of the Marvel movies -- but I love the whole concept of creating movie universes. This bodes well for a lot SF/F properties down the road. Star Trek, Star Wars, Discworld, etc., all could do well from films that explore part of a coherent universe.
Still haven't seen Guardians. :( But I did get a sense the alien they were harvesting blood from in that episode of SHIELD last year might be a Kree - I just forgot about the Kree/Inhumans connection. Thanks!
I agree with JF. Higher, Further, Faster, More is a fine starting point, but In Pursuit of Flight is an even better one.
Buuuut I do think that if you get into it far enough to read the first two volumes, you might want to read Avengers: The Enemy Within before moving on to the new series.
But please don't let my nerdery scare you off! Both volume 1s are great reads and in my opinion really really friendly to newcomers.
Also though I'm realizing that it appears the trade paperback of In Pursuit of Flight looks unavailable? Seems strange...if you were planning to read it in paperback, not digitally, I would maybe keep an eye out in case it only APPEARS unavailable because they didn't anticipate the demand with the movie announcement. This happens sometimes in my experience.
But I can also vouch for the pleasure of reading comics digitally. Especially for newcomers if you find it not-so-natural to read by panels.
Good- yes, I saw it was only available in a kindle edition- I am certainly *not* accustomed to reading panels (only "comic" I've ever read is Watchmen), so I'm glad that digital works well for the format. Another question- is In Pursuit of Flight an origin story? As far as the movies go, origin stories are always my favorite... so I imagine same will be true for comic books, too.
Yeah if you do have a color tablet, you can double tap on a panel and then read panel-by-panel, which obviously works best for comics that have rectangular panels--some that are more experimental with their panel shape/placement, like Batwoman, don't give you quite as good an experience--but it makes following the story a lot easier for folks who don't read comics much. (And for those of us who do...it just means being able to GET the comics faster, also a plus).
If I'm remembering correctly (I think I've lent out my copy so I can't flip through it), Carol is Captain Marvel at the beginning of In Pursuit of Flight, but only fairly recently so, and it does go back and talk about her decision to take on the name, and also flashes back to when/how she got her powers. And it has a lot of stuff about the more emotional backstory of the character. I'd say it's not a traditional origin story, but has most of the major elements of one, just in slightly different form. Establishing the character is much more central to it than Higher, Further, Faster, More.
It's not a great movie by any stretch, but Boseman has a nice featured role in Draft Day as well as one of the potential draft picks. Interestingly, Black Panther is apparently going to make his first major appearance in Cap 3 (I presume there'll be a cameo of some sort in Avengers 2).
ReplyDeleteI may be the only one who watches Agents of Shield, but they've been working towards the Inhumans as a workaround for not being allowed to have mutants. So that is, at best, the third most exciting thing they just announced.
ReplyDeleteThe Inhumans, the strangest heroes of all, working to save a world that hates and fears them, or maybe the moon? Okay.
ReplyDeleteSure, that makes a lot of sense, and is probably true, but I'm betting on Lockjaw. Marvel Phase 4: The Pet Avengers. All played by Serkis. Assuming they've got the rights on that dragony thing that hangs out with Shadowcat for some reason I don't remember. They've definitely got the rights on Frog Thor, though.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Beta Ray Bill!
ReplyDeleteI only started reading superhero comics fairly recently, and the 2012 Captain Marvel was one of the first series I picked up. It attracted my attention by the cover and title alone, before I'd heard anything else about it. As both a publishing person and a pop culture nerd, I am nerding the nerd out that just a year and a half later they are announcing a movie and people are this excited about it. I know it sounds dorky but it really bolsters my hope/enthusiasm about the kinds of stuff I'll be able to work on and consume in the coming years.
ReplyDeleteKelly Sue Decornik is writing the hell out of that book. Also, her husband Matt Fraction is writing one of the other very good Marvel books, Hawkeye.
ReplyDeleteI think it was in a Hawkeye that I first saw the Captain Marvel ad! I had no idea the wealth of good comics that would come from following my gut reaction to that ad. Fraction's Sex Criminals, at least the first arc, is also a fave. Not superheroes, though...at least not of the caped variety.
ReplyDeleteIt's important that the movies carry over the iconic lines from the comics. Think Spiderman's "with great power there must also come great responsibility" or Batman's "I'm Batman." I just hope they find an actor who can land Black Bolt's "
ReplyDeleteI've only read the trade of Sex Criminals so I'm a few issues behind, but that book is simply great.
ReplyDeleteI'm watching SHIELD as well, which has greatly improved over last season, and I'm very curious where they're going with this Inhumans thing.
ReplyDeleteAm I the only person who has absolutely no interest in any of this? I think I must be, because obviously this strategy is working for the studios.
ReplyDeleteI'm very interested in the legalities of the Inhumans as a property: I'm sure they had a title of their own at some point, but I've always thought of them as an intrinsic and integral part of the Fantastic Four mythology. Wouldn't they be bundled in that deal, along with Doctor Doom, the Puppet Master, etc.?
ReplyDeleteWell, I'm sure that you're not, or the ticket sales for these movies would dwarf what they actually are. But I'll admit that I'm pretty excited. I like that they have a plan, and, although I am not the most versed in the comic book world, I like what I've heard about the new characters/plotlines.
ReplyDeleteAlso, even if you're not excited about the actual news, reading what the true comic fans are saying is pretty entertaining. The comments on the article that Adam linked were well worth clicking on the link, in my opinion.
Apparently not. I've seen numerous articles for months expecting Marvel to develop the Inhumans, to get around the fact that they can't use any X-Men or the term "mutants."
ReplyDeleteYeah, the "families" are very weirdly drawn. For instance, Kingpin is part of the Daredevil IP, even though he's appeared pretty regularly with Spider-Man, and certain characters are "shared" subject to restrictions (e.g., Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch). It gets even messier on theme park rights--Universal has exclusive rights, but only to certain folks, and only East of the Mississippi River. So Disneyland can do Thor/Cap meet and greets, but Disney World can't, but Disney parks worldwide could do a Guardians of the Galaxy ride or meet and greet (and who wouldn't want a picture of their child embracing Groot?).
ReplyDeleteThis is a complete gap in my pop culture consumption - I haven't read a comic book since I read Archie in early childhood. Never consumed any super hero anything beyond the first Superman movies and Batman movies. I watched the Avengers and was pretty much lost - there's so much world-building and back story that I know nothing about. This just isn't my thing. And it seems to have taken over everything, which just baffles me. It's not just a question of excitement, but pure comprehension. I have no idea what any of this is all about, and am finding myself in an increasing minority in not caring at all. Just not my genre.
ReplyDeleteJust popping by to add an obligatory post of "I grew up a DC fan, and I can't believe they can't get their act together."
ReplyDeleteI've never gotten into comic books, but I love the movie universes.... But it looks like Captain Marvel might be a good place to start? My question is... *how* do I start? Should I start at the beginning, or can I start with this one, for instance? http://www.amazon.com/Captain-Marvel-Higher-Further-Faster/dp/0785190139/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414605383&sr=1-1
ReplyDeleteI ALSO am watching SHIELD and have no idea what you guys are referring to. What Inhumans thing?? What am I missing??
ReplyDeleteI do think Guardians of the Galaxy does a pretty good job of standing alone, and is worth trying even if you were lost in the other Marvel flicks.
ReplyDeleteSPOILERS
ReplyDeleteRemember the Kree from Guardians of the Galaxy? They visited Earth a long time ago, experimented on early humans and created a sort of giant master race and then abandoned them because of a prophecy. The whole bit with the substance that Garrett, Coulson and Skye have been injected with that appears to have come from a Kree corpse and is not affecting Skye adversely makes more sense if she's at least partially Inhuman, from their Kree side.
Comics, everyone!
Hell's bells, I want a picture of *myself* embracing Groot.
ReplyDeleteThat's the current volume of Captain Marvel; you want to go back slightly further (but only a year or so back) and start with this one:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.amazon.com/Captain-Marvel-Vol-Pursuit-Flight-ebook/dp/B00FRP6YLM/ref=sr_1_16?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414611136&sr=1-16
And then this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Captain-Marvel-Vol-2-Down/dp/0785165509/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1414611242&sr=1-1&keywords=captain+marvel+down
And then the one you linked to. All by the same author.
They're doing damn fine in the animated and TV world at the moment, so don't give up hope.
ReplyDeleteEverything that Joseph said, with the addition that (as Jenn. alludes to below) Marvel Studios is in a bind, since they legally cannot use mutants but mutants are kinda their jam, they've got a workaround in the Inhumans, if--like we're assuming with Skye--they develop powers by inheriting DNA that was at one point [synonym for mutated] by ancient Kree experiments. These people will start popping up, possibly triggered by some Asgardian nonsense and the government will want to keep track of them, register them, if you will, something something Captain America: Civil War.
ReplyDeleteOK, that's startingly plausible. And now I'm wondering..
ReplyDeleteSPOILERS
Who's the Peter Parker surrogate in the movie version of Civil War? Assuming they keep the Tony & Steve dynamic, someone has to be the fulcrum between them and if not Peter, who?
Despite the mess that was Green Lantern (for which he was credited as a writer), I'd be far more interested in a Berlanti-led DC-verse than a Zach Snyder one.
ReplyDeleteHe's supposedly writing the Flash movie, and if the Supergirl series goes forward that'll make three of the Berlanti-verse on TV.
ReplyDeleteOkay, let's work this out. Assuming the stuff I'm pretty much making up holds true, it's going to be someone from the first Avengers movie, or at least someone we already know in order to have some weight. Black Widow doxxed herself and most likely Hawkeye in Winter Soldier. Thor isn't human. So that leaves in order of likelihood: Hulk (secret identity, mutated DNA, close to Stark, kinda moody), Bucky Barnes (would need to have pulled the reverse of a heel turn), Falcon (I guess), Henry Pym (we'll see how Ant Man goes), Black Panther (doubtful before his first solo film, but I think he's appearing), one of the Wonder Twins (they were in a teaser), Captain Marvel (won't be around yet), Vision (not a person).
ReplyDeleteOf that list....Bucky is the one that jumps out at me as being able to be the fulcrum. Secret identity, close ties to Cap but could be swayed by the technocrat Tony looking to impose order; I think it might work.
ReplyDeleteI'm not particularly a comic books guy -- and have only seen about half of the Marvel movies -- but I love the whole concept of creating movie universes. This bodes well for a lot SF/F properties down the road. Star Trek, Star Wars, Discworld, etc., all could do well from films that explore part of a coherent universe.
ReplyDeleteStill haven't seen Guardians. :( But I did get a sense the alien they were harvesting blood from in that episode of SHIELD last year might be a Kree - I just forgot about the Kree/Inhumans connection. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI agree with JF. Higher, Further, Faster, More is a fine starting point, but In Pursuit of Flight is an even better one.
ReplyDeleteBuuuut I do think that if you get into it far enough to read the first two volumes, you might want to read Avengers: The Enemy Within before moving on to the new series.
But please don't let my nerdery scare you off! Both volume 1s are great reads and in my opinion really really friendly to newcomers.
Also though I'm realizing that it appears the trade paperback of In Pursuit of Flight looks unavailable? Seems strange...if you were planning to read it in paperback, not digitally, I would maybe keep an eye out in case it only APPEARS unavailable because they didn't anticipate the demand with the movie announcement. This happens sometimes in my experience.
ReplyDeleteBut I can also vouch for the pleasure of reading comics digitally. Especially for newcomers if you find it not-so-natural to read by panels.
Good- yes, I saw it was only available in a kindle edition- I am certainly *not* accustomed to reading panels (only "comic" I've ever read is Watchmen), so I'm glad that digital works well for the format.
ReplyDeleteAnother question- is In Pursuit of Flight an origin story? As far as the movies go, origin stories are always my favorite... so I imagine same will be true for comic books, too.
Yeah if you do have a color tablet, you can double tap on a panel and then read panel-by-panel, which obviously works best for comics that have rectangular panels--some that are more experimental with their panel shape/placement, like Batwoman, don't give you quite as good an experience--but it makes following the story a lot easier for folks who don't read comics much. (And for those of us who do...it just means being able to GET the comics faster, also a plus).
ReplyDeleteIf I'm remembering correctly (I think I've lent out my copy so I can't flip through it), Carol is Captain Marvel at the beginning of In Pursuit of Flight, but only fairly recently so, and it does go back and talk about her decision to take on the name, and also flashes back to when/how she got her powers. And it has a lot of stuff about the more emotional backstory of the character. I'd say it's not a traditional origin story, but has most of the major elements of one, just in slightly different form. Establishing the character is much more central to it than Higher, Further, Faster, More.